In 1992, Bill Clinton had 42.93% of the popular vote. 49.24% in 1996.
President Bush now enjoys the highest popular vote than any President in the history of this nation. Ever. That, my friends, is what you call a mandate
President Bush has 51% of the popular vote in 2004. Is that legitimate enough for the Dems in this country? Aside from that, President Bush has won the electoral college vote. Which can only mean one thing, right??
Congratulations President Bush and First Lady Laura Bush! Thank you for 4 more years!! You’ve worked hard and you deserve this!
I am relieved, happy, thrilled and now I can finally concentrate on other stuff!
4 more years!
Update: – for those of you keeping track, and you know who you are – - New Mexico has been officially called for Bush, which puts his popular vote count up to 59,019,508.
Bummer
Don’t be bummed RedFred – - clearly the best man won and our country couldn’t have a better leader
GO BUSH!!
I am so happy!!!!
An absolute relief – that’s all I can say. Although I’m sure a lot of that relief now is because Kerry was graceful enough to concede rather than dragging Ohio through litigation hell.
I absolutely think Kerry did the right thing for this country. Gotta give him credit for that.
I love Kerry’s final parting shot to Bush about uniting the country….
And you know the Dems will say that it was so close this year, despite what you said above.
WOOHOOO!! I guess Terry the Mac is on his way out as well as Daschle, huh?
Redfred – I think I said it slightly better …
Best man for the job? oh you poor deluded fool… It is a sad day for me, more than most I am sensative to the image of America as seen from abroad, having long defended it to friends, family and the occasional blog or message board. Re-electing Bush is foriegn relations suicide, which I have always maintained Americans did actually give a shit about rather than being totally self absorbed. Aparently I was wrong. I wish I could bury my head and say “I’m a foriegner, I can’t vote, it’s not my fault”, but instead I shall simply bow my head and share in your shame.
Not only did the elections go badly but also several local issues I felt strongly about went badly, all very depressing…..
RedFred – - didn’t your Mom teach you that you can’t worry about what folks think of you?
Sorry to hear it was depressing for you Fred. However, 51% of the nation disagrees with you – and that, my friend, is a majority. The people have spoken.
Cheer up, Red. ’08 is only four years away
UG, yours surely did, I don’t think that is something to be proud off…..
Lisa, I apreciate that Bush won, I know I am in a minority, lets hope they don’t take away my right to get married…
ST…. Do you think we will make it that far…. ?
Lol, Ok that last one was a little too over the top!!!
Proud… hmmm… well, violence, bigotry, and oppression is making a great comeback with 51% of the country supporting it.
Proud? Not at all.:sad:
Fred: LOL -yeah, that was a bit over the top
Justice: Try something new. The scare tactics you guys love to use aren’t working anymore.:roll:
Your opinion has been so noted, Justice.
^5′s SisterT!
I feel bad for America, and also for the rest of the world.
Amen, Lisa.
And to those who are worried that we will be hated around the world. I hate to break it to you, but we were hated plenty before the War in the Iraq and before George Bush was president. Success breeds envy. That doesn’t mean we should try to fail.
Thank you Anita for a perfect example of what I was talking about, Do you really honestly think it is envy that spawns the dislike? there are plenty of countries out there every bit as great as the US (oh boy am I setting my self up for an immature retort there) It is not envy but a reaction to ignorant arrogance from people like you.
Thankfully most Americans don’t actually think like you , well most that I’ve met at least.
Bye bye Kerry!
I agree with you, Lisa. I’m glad that Kerry ended the race gracefully and without lawsuits up the ying yang.
yeah yeah yeah, bah humbug, cancel Christmas!
WHOOFRACKINHOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I actually don’t care who envies us or why, since we won WW2 we have become a powerhouse of a nation. If they can’t respect the english speaking world(US,England,Canada, Australia,etc) then let them FEAR us. Either way, they will not cross us……
I actually don’t care who envies us or why, since we won WW2 we have become a powerhouse of a nation. If they can’t respect the english speaking world(US,England,Canada, Australia,etc) then let them FEAR us. Either way, they will not cross us……
Oh I am so envious of you… you must tell me your secrets… meet you by the bike shed at recess….
Where do you get your statistics?
I’m embarassed to be an American right now.
I think Bush’s win is a fitting tribute to your “special date” who passed away on Saturday.
Do you think Hilary Clinton will run in 2008?
I’m fuckin proud to be an American. Now more then ever! I think Hilary will run. She’ll be beat down like a little b*tch though.
“Justice: Try something new. The scare tactics you guys love to use aren’t working anymore.”
“Scare tactics”? “You guys”?
. . . and the delusional have it, by 51%.
Your statistics are off. Sorry.
President Reagan had 58.8% of the popular vote (President Elect.org). Lordy, woman, get your facts straight. I don’t know who has been the most popular, but you’re cracked to think it is Bush.
Can I take this oppotunity to say that while having a similar screen name I have nothing to do with Fredette, and don’t understand her either.
Did some ome spray for termites? cause the freaks are comming out of the woodwork
RedFred — Isn’t that the tactics of all ignorant people — to claim someone is nuts? Typical politics to me. What nonesense.
Show you have a brain. It works much better.
OK, Brainiac, explain your post…..
I don’t see where anyone said GWB was the most popular president ever, so what is the relavance of your post?
Lisa wrote in her post above,
“President Bush now enjoys the highest popular vote than any President in the history of this nation. Ever. That, my friends, is what you call a mandate.”
This is untrue. See http://www.presidentelect.org and look at the year 1984. I was commenting on that.
Hello.
Yes, scare tactics, Justice. They didn’t work for the Dems this year like they normally do. Time to come up with a new game plan. This ‘plan’ has been, as Dick Gephardt would say, a “miserable failure.”:shock:
Bwehaha ha … “spray for termites” … “freaks coming out of the wood work”. ba ha ha haaa.
In 1980, Reagan had 50.9% of the popular vote with a total of 43,901,812 popular votes.
In 1984 Reagan had 58.8% of the popular vote, with a total of 54,455,000 popular votes.
This year, in 2004 – George W. Bush has 51% of the popular vote, with a total of 58,882,920 popular votes.
58,882,920 is greater than 54,455,000, which is greater than 43,901,812.
Sorry I had to explain that to you, Fredette.
Fredette, If you read what Lisa wrote, she said “President Bush now enjoys the highest popular vote than any President in the history of this nation.” IE his 58,883,394 votes is thee most recieved in the history of the presidential election. Reagan in ’84 got 54,281,858. So for starters get YOUR facts straight, READ before you comment, and if you are going to throw in random comments in the moiddle of a thread at least make it clear exactly what the hell you are refering too, your first comment followed Andy Sims dillousional ramblings and your second followed Justice saying that the “delusional have it, by 51%” we are not telepathic you know
Like she said.
Thanks, Fred – I think we were channeling each other on that one and posting at the same time
Chirp chirp … is that the sound of crickets I hear in the SILENCE?
Boy I wish I could spell, but still not bad for a dyslexic.
I woulda responded to it earlier, except I was watching Kerry and Bush’s speeches.
Cried my damn eyes out, too – - you did too probably – but for different reasons
I’m at work, don’t have time to sit around and watch TV……:wink:
I’m not gonna cry over this, win or lose, I honestly don’t take it that seriously. I’m disapointed, think that it is a mistake, and hope for a change in 4 years (either a democrat or at least a republican that I have some respect for).
Lisa – You talked about percentage points. You suggest that GWB won with the highest percentage points.
Logically, people would deduce, you don’t declare someone popular unless you statistically consider the amount of votes to the population.
The population has grown since 1984 so I still would believe that President Reagan had a bigger majority.
Working from home does have it’s advantages
Logically you would read the post and understand what was said before you jumped in to comment……
On the contrary, Fredette – I think the increase in numbers has more to do with the success of the Bush campaign of energizing their base and getting more people out to the polls.
We could argue that one all day.
Point is, I didn’t say he had the highest percentage. I said he has the highest popular vote.
Be consistent then. Don’t talk percentage points and then change to numbers. It’s misleading… and not accurate in the context.
No need to argue. Peace.
Speaking of home, I’m done for the day…. congrats Lisa, don’t celebrate too hard! get some sleep and sharpen your wit for tomorrow the criticism of Dubya’s 2nd term begins!!!
Ok Fredette – peace to you too. In the future – I’ll try and dumb it down for ya
No need to argue when your wrong, I understood, and I am the resident liberal (hope I’m not giving myself airs and graces).
Thanks Fred – enjoy your day! 4 more years of taking criticism is a much better deal than dishing it, in my opinion.
Sleep. I do need sleep.
Later, Fred
Peace shmease, flip flopper
You deserve the airs, Fred – you are the resident liberal
You need a tshirt, I think 
Well with your logic, Lisa, we could say we are richer than any other time in human history. We earn more dollars than fifty years ago!!
The value of the dollar doesn’t matter, does it — it is just how much you have, huh?
Ha. What a joke.
I think I am giving you too much credit, Lisa. I doubt that you’ll even understand that.
Ok Fredette – maybe you are giving me too much credit. I suggest that it’s simply not worth your time anymore.
Have a great day.
These sour grapes/al gorian liberals are a piece of work. Fredette took it upon itself to call you a dumbass on her site, Lisa. She obviously doesn’t get the readership you do.
And based on the BS going on at your right voices, why did I think this was going to end today?
I hear ya K – - just gotta handle the libs with kid gloves today . . . they’re hurting, and for good reason.
Hmm.. Fredette has a blog? lol
The facts never seem to cloud the issue… I am not an American, don’t live in the US. I have and do travel all over the globe. I can tell you from experience that the so called “hatred” of Americans (not related to having been actually bombed or the like) is simply envy by another name. Look at the French. They despise you not because your standard of living is offensive to them, but because their standard of living is a pale shadow of yours. It is as simple as that. The MacDonalds culture has them on the run because so many of their citizens embrace it as a more desirable way to live and they hate themsleves for it… and Americans by extension.
Hi Dee
See, I’ve heard so many different things about the folks who live outside our borders and why there seems to be so much ‘hatred’. I’ve heard anything from it being about our redneck, simple ways – - to our arrogance in foreign affairs and playing the world’s cop.
I have heard the envy theory – although, I think they would be hardpressed to ever admit that piece of it, if it’s true.
Lisa, I heard the son of Winston Churchill about 6 months say something about France that I found strikeing. He said something to effect that the problem France has with the US and England is they have never forgiven us for their having to be liberated in WW2. He said that they forgave Germany faster for enslaving them than stooping so low as to be gratfulto those who liberated them. Now I know that this sounds as crazy to all of you as it did to me but after I thought about it a while, I finally decided this must be the problem. In a strange and twisted way, it must be true. I guess you can’t expect more of a so-called power who hasn’t won a war since Waterloo!!!!
Hi Andy – - history is interesting. We are just as grateful to France, Poland and Germany for their assistance in helping us win our independance from English rule during the Revolutionary War. They had our backs then.
We had their back during WWII. They couldn’t have done it without us during that war, much in the way we probably couldn’t have done it without them during the Revolutionary War.
What happened?
Got your email, btw – thank you very much
Truth can be stranger than fiction!:lol:
Yeah, she (Fredette) left her link up above. One ANGRY MF.
Let’s all get a good night’s sleep!!!
It’s incredible to me that even after all was said and stated correctly about the popular vote that some dems (fredette) is having a hissy about it – - not surprising, just annoying.
Yup. The popular vote really gets underneath their skin – - especially since Bush got the highest popular vote in that history of this nation. Ever.
There. I said it again.
They forget how they whined about the popular vote in 2000
Remember how they cried about the popular vote? Somehow, back then – it held more credibility.
and yes you did state it again, Lisa – - and correctly at that
it only held more credibility for them because it was about their guy – - now that it is about GW they can’t stand it so they will whine, fight, moan and groan.
lol — I just read on fredette’s blog and what she called you – - her ignorance is showing for sure cause for her to call you ” just a dope in the world” shows she lacks brains
Hey – I figure if liberals are going to whine about me, specifically, on their blog – - I must be doing something right.
Hmm.
I think it gives me a mandate.
I think you win the popular vote for that!
Well, shit. Put a crown on my head and call me queen.
lol, Lisa – - I mean Queen Lisa – - I should drop fredette a note and tell her she needs to change her post and state you as “Just a Queen in the World”
Ha!
Queen of all things – ruler of nothing.
This here is a sovereign blog.
OK, now that is making me laugh!
Hey, where did fredette go? Doesn’t she wanna come out and play with us anymore? I think my feelings are hurt.
I don’t think Fredette is going to come back.
Dunno.
Just a feeling I get, if I sit real still.
I think she’ll show up again – - kind of like a bad penny.
Yeah she has a blog. She called you “Just a Dope in the world”… I’m jealous. Lori has a fan club and you’re being called names. I don’t get shit.
I’ll think I’ll direct Fredette over by you next time, rachel
Today is a great day to be an American! Woo hoo!
Guys, how do I get to Fredette’s Blog–Must be good for a laugh after listening to all of you!:razz:
Good morning…. Wow lots of posts over night for me to sink my teeth in to…
My favorite was #66 from Andy (Great name btw, shame your comments aren’t up to scratch) Envy is so not the reason for “hatred” (I think that is bit strong, reserve it for those that you have “liberated”) The dislike most europeans have is brought about because America blunders its way through world politics and then all you hear from its citizens is ignorance. When the US were preparing for the liberation of Afghanistan I actually came across a group of three employees where I worked pawing over a map of Africa, because it began with AF. I thought it was a joke, but they were serious and sadly it actually a fairly reasonable reflection on the worldly knowledge all the more evident by Andy’s final comment ….”I guess you can’t expect more of a so-called power [France] who hasn’t won a war since Waterloo!!!! “
RedFred – - if you feel so strongly about fighting ignorance then might I suggest you teach a lunch time geography class to your co-workers – - and btw, 3 geographically challenged Americans does not a dumb country make. And again might I remind you that you can’t worry about what the whole world thinks – - it’s not about being the most liked.
UG, true a dumb country it does not make, but it is a good example of the kind of ignorance that coupled with a gun ho attitude really gets under people’s skin. That is the cause of the so called hatred, not some deep seated shame from world war 2 nor the imagines jealousy of the standard of living, I can assure you that the French standard of living is no different from that of America.
I appreciate that it is not a competition to be the most liked, I am just disappointed that so many actually don’t care.
You are disappointed that so many don’t care? What do you want Americans to do? Bow down to the French and those like them who disapprove of America on so many levels just so they will like us? What has France done for you lately? What has France done for anyone lately? Well other than Yasser Arafat who is getting medical care there now that he has slipped into a coma and is dying – - just tell me what the French are doing that we need them to like us so much?
Sorry that should have read ‘imagined jealousy’.
While I’m commenting again, I should probably clarify something….
Ignorance is not the same as stupidity. Americans are on the whole intelligent, however in certain areas the education is seriously defunct, this is especially evident when if comes to Geography, History and Religion. This is not surprising when one considers that traditionally, thanks to isolationism, America plays down the importance of these subjects, perhaps now as America starts to take the reins of world leadership it would behoove the establishment to rectify the imbalance.
But it is not just France, not just Europe. And it should matter to you that we are in discord with the rest of the world.
As for France specifically, I have no real love for the French, but then at least they can fall back on their Waterloo laurels eh?
Red – you are making it sound as though we are in discord with the ENTIRE world and that is so not true and is a paranoid statement on your part. We do not have to get along with the world – - being a nation of appeasers is not something Americans should ever want and in order to get along with everyone that would have to be how it is accomplished and I’m not willing to put myself or my fellow citizens at risk to mirror the ignorance of Neville Chamberlain and those like him.
Isolationism? Who are you trying to kid here, Fred? Or are you just trying to convince yourself that you have a point?
Pretty much the entire world… that’s why there was not the rush to provide men and material that there was during the first gulf war.
If a country shouldn’t care what the rest of the world thinks then what was wrong with what Saddam did to Kuwait? He thought Kuwait should have been part of Iraq and the whole rest of the world thought otherwise, by your reckoning and shoot first ask questions later attitude he should be lauded for his alacrity. Or was what he did wrong because he didn’t have the military muscle to back up his claim?
I was trying to justify the inadaquate education the Americans recieve in those three subjects, and refering to the old concept as one possible explanation… there are other possible explanations that are a whole lot less flattering, but I thought I would refrain.
And my point was that it is not envy that causes the dislike of America by other nations.
Whoo hooo… comment #100 !!!! a record Lisa?
Pretty much the entire world, Fred? Don’t you mean more specifically France, Germany and Russia?
Bringing the first Gulf War into this discussion shows you are grasping for straws. If you want to seriously discuss the first Gulf War point by point then let’s do that – - but you are dismissing all that has happened in Iraq since that time and why it was necessary to remove Saddam Hussein from power and to take out the terrorists that hide themselves within that country.
Fred wrote: “And my point was that it is not envy that causes the dislike of America by other nations.”
I never said it was, Fred.
Fred wrote: “I was trying to justify the inadaquate education the Americans recieve in those three subjects”
Do you really feel you need to “justify” this, Fred? I don’t know where you went to school, but where I went they taught geography as well as history and religion is a personal thing especially since the ACLU and others wouldn’t stand for it to be taught in any school other than that of a private nature.
UG…
#102 only France, Germany and Russia? really ? the whole rest of the world supports us? Puh lease….
As far as the 1st Gulf war goes I was bringing attention to the stupidity of your might not right attitude.
#103 No, but Andy Sims did and that is whose post I was originally responding too. ergo, my original point.
#104 I was taught in the UK, I have an 18 year old American taught daughter and I can tell you I knew more Greography, History and Religion than her or any of her friends do now befoire the age of 10. As for Religion not being taught in Schools in my honest opinion that is a travesty, and I am an Atheist. If Religion is a private matter then whey does GWB keep bringing it up to justify his stance on gay marriage and abortion?
#104
106 – -
Fred – - I stated “specifically” because you are saying the whole world and that’s ignorant. And for you to ignore the beginnings and to ignore facts isn’t clever by a long shot.
Fred, Saddam should have had you sitting by his side during the first Gulf War as well as this time around because you are all for him. I seriously doubt he would have let you in the rat hole with him, but then murderous dictators are pretty selfish that way by not wanting to share their hideouts.
I think it’s amazing you put down the education system in America and complain about your daughters education or lack there of. Where were you as a parent when she needed to be taught? Did you just leave it up to some unknown teacher? You can’t blame the whole system for your failings.
As for President Bush bringing up religion – - he isn’t an atheist, Fred. Nuff’said.
Andy, dear oh dear, I really can’t be nbothered to read your post, the first line is all I needed…. If you are so well informed why say the last war the french won was Waterloo. First off Waterloo was a battle not a war, and secondly they LOST it you fucking moron, and thirdly……. UUUUUUUUUUUUUUGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHH!
Oh and by the way the French did win the Crimean War with victory at sevastapol in 1855 a full 40 years after Waterloo, so even if your were referring to Napoleans Victoies prior to Waterloo, you are still wrong.
Not that this all matters, because as I said before, it is not Envy or lack of recent military success that makes your average French man bislike America.
#108 – you sure had a lot to say to Andy for not having read his post LOL
I think the rest of the world is disturbed that militant Chrisitans are taking the reigns of the world’s only superpower. They know what is best for everyone, belittle dissenting opinions, and generally act as stupid as the militant Muslims they are trying to destroy.
But don’t tell that to this crowd, Fred. They will just say that ‘You Forgot Poland’.
Andy’s post was garbage. He writes in one long paragrapg filled with glaring historical errors. Then he switches into a jingoist rant about how we are King of the Hill, “WE APOLOGIZE FOR NOTHING,” “we don’t care what the serfs think.”
So UG you agree with such mouth-foaming nonsense?
I am not for Saddam, I was using his actions to illustrate a point. Personally I support both Gulf wars, I just feel that the second one could have been run better and more support could have been garnered before hand.
I’m not putting down the American education system here in the US, I happen to think that the American system is great and the education received is first class and easy par for the best education anywhere in the world, Contrary I’ll have you to the opinions of what most Americans think when they talk to me about the British and American system. I just believe that specifically in the three subjects mentioned there is a lack of emphasis. I do supplement my Daughter’s education and believe me she is wiser to the ways of the world than most, but there is no substitution for the classroom otherwise we would all be home schooled. Geees can’t anyone accept a bit of constructive criticism?
As for Dubya not being an Atheist , I was well aware of that , thanks for the update though. you brought up the point that it was a personal thing, he is the one trying to integrate it into the constitution.
#111 – - rhazes, don’t be ridiculous. I just found it funny that Red wrote such a long response to Andy after having stated he couldn’t be bothered with even reading Andy’s comment. C’mon that was pretty funny.
I didn’t read it that far, probably for the best, I don’t have my BP pills with me!
The guy is a moron, and I mean it in the unintelligent way not just uneducated.
At least UG is coherent…
UG, he got my goat with his ignorant previous posts, I read the first line of the latest debarcle and could not contain myself! glad I made you laugh though.
You support both Gulf Wars HOWEVER you wanted the world to hold our hand this time around because you are afraid we aren’t liked by everyone. That is never going to happen, Fred. The WHOLE world is not going to like us no matter what we do. You have to come to terms with it.
You are contradicting yourself about the American education system. You stated we lack in the areas of Geography, History and Religion and went further to state that you were trying to justify the inadaquate education Americans receive in those three subjects and went even further to compare your education to that of your daughter who was taught in the states – - NOW you are saying you are putting down the American education that you think we have it going on.
Flip! Flop!
You wrote: “Geees can’t anyone accept a bit of constructive criticism?” I haven’t seen you be able to take any so I’d have to say no
And just to let you know Fred – - it isn’t GW who put religion in the Constitution. You’ll have to go back further than that.
You can’t let it get to you, Fred – - laughter has to happen at some point and you did make me laugh, thanks
#116, Paragraph 1… Not the whole world just a good deal more of it than Britain.
Paragraph 2…. there is no flip flop, I thought I was quite clear that I was refering to those specific subjects, that you chose to to take it as a slur on the entire system is on you, not I. As I said I often come to the defence of the American education system from both Americans and Europeans.
last paragraph. Isn’t GWB wanting to make a constitutional ammendment about Gay marriage? it was to that which I was reffering.
Also the changing of the Supreme Court, and the occasional line about passing a law to prevent the Court from ruling on “moral” topics…a law that would not be challenged by a freshly-stacked Supreme Court.
America is doomed.